1 00:00:09,289 --> 00:00:05,660 we designed this gun after that uses a 2 00:00:11,900 --> 00:00:09,299 tec-9 receiver 3d printed frame and 3 00:00:14,119 --> 00:00:11,910 block magazines we designed it after 4 00:00:16,189 --> 00:00:14,129 Attorney General Josh Shapiro tried to 5 00:00:20,660 --> 00:00:16,199 like shut down distribution of file 6 00:00:21,740 --> 00:00:20,670 sharing of 3d printable weapons oh okay 7 00:00:24,679 --> 00:00:21,750 gotcha 8 00:00:28,130 --> 00:00:24,689 is Josh is he in Florida no he's in 9 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:28,140 Pennsylvania Pennsylvania and what so 10 00:00:32,450 --> 00:00:29,730 what is the current status of people 11 00:00:35,569 --> 00:00:32,460 being able to make their own guns with a 12 00:00:39,139 --> 00:00:35,579 3d printer diluents I mean it's totally 13 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:39,149 legal in most the country but what about 14 00:00:44,689 --> 00:00:41,570 the whole background check requirement 15 00:00:46,010 --> 00:00:44,699 in well most of the country you don't 16 00:00:48,529 --> 00:00:46,020 need a background check to make your own 17 00:00:51,500 --> 00:00:48,539 gun it like federally you only need a 18 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:51,510 background check to transfer a firearm 19 00:00:57,979 --> 00:00:54,090 transferred to you and through a dealer 20 00:00:58,700 --> 00:00:57,989 right so when you are the genesis of the 21 00:01:02,450 --> 00:00:58,710 firearm 22 00:01:04,310 --> 00:01:02,460 there's no transfer happening right from 23 00:01:06,380 --> 00:01:04,320 a federal level and then what about do 24 00:01:08,270 --> 00:01:06,390 states have their own some states so 25 00:01:10,310 --> 00:01:08,280 like California has some silly 26 00:01:13,370 --> 00:01:10,320 requirements that you have to get a 27 00:01:16,580 --> 00:01:13,380 serial number before it's made some 28 00:01:20,540 --> 00:01:16,590 other states have weird requirements but 29 00:01:22,190 --> 00:01:20,550 uh but federally there's and and it's 30 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:22,200 like there's there's a good reason for 31 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:24,090 it because the federal government 32 00:01:29,570 --> 00:01:26,250 doesn't have the power to restrict 33 00:01:31,310 --> 00:01:29,580 purely interstate intrastate activity 34 00:01:34,070 --> 00:01:31,320 even though it does it all the time 35 00:01:35,900 --> 00:01:34,080 right right but they still sometimes 36 00:01:38,330 --> 00:01:35,910 like to at least pretend they recognize 37 00:01:42,860 --> 00:01:38,340 that right and then what about the 38 00:01:43,130 --> 00:01:42,870 bullets but I mean where do they come 39 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:43,140 from 40 00:01:51,110 --> 00:01:49,410 the cartridges anywhere so the gun is 41 00:01:53,450 --> 00:01:51,120 made to be able to use standard bullets 42 00:01:55,460 --> 00:01:53,460 in other words yes lock yeah it takes 43 00:01:58,280 --> 00:01:55,470 the Glock magazine takes regular old 44 00:02:03,170 --> 00:01:58,290 9-millimeter cartridges and what's a gun 45 00:02:06,710 --> 00:02:03,180 made out of this one is made of PLA plus 46 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:06,720 it's a um it's like [\h__\h] it's plastic it 47 00:02:12,809 --> 00:02:08,649 comes in a roll 48 00:02:16,860 --> 00:02:12,819 right here yeah it keeps doing that yeah 49 00:02:21,589 --> 00:02:16,870 yeah and how would you compare it to a 50 00:02:24,149 --> 00:02:21,599 regular gun as far as its effectiveness 51 00:02:28,920 --> 00:02:24,159 well the guys that designed these have 52 00:02:30,930 --> 00:02:28,930 come really a long way they're like 53 00:02:33,630 --> 00:02:30,940 there's no problems with them a lot of 54 00:02:37,350 --> 00:02:33,640 times like this design everything that's 55 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:37,360 you know under pressure is an original 56 00:02:42,569 --> 00:02:40,810 firearm component anyway so we've put 57 00:02:45,300 --> 00:02:42,579 hundreds of rounds through this and 58 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:45,310 haven't had a single issue how much it's 59 00:02:51,449 --> 00:02:49,810 the 3d printer the like the minimum that 60 00:02:57,869 --> 00:02:51,459 you want to spend to get one that'll 61 00:03:00,690 --> 00:02:57,879 that'll do guns is like 175 bucks Wow is 62 00:03:03,569 --> 00:03:00,700 that cheap yeah and then live in the 63 00:03:05,610 --> 00:03:03,579 future man materials to make the gun 64 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:05,620 what does that cost 20 bucks a kilogram 65 00:03:14,729 --> 00:03:08,890 and and that means how much for a gun 66 00:03:17,879 --> 00:03:14,739 then seven or eight dollars and it takes 67 00:03:20,670 --> 00:03:17,889 though how long to make one this one 68 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:20,680 right here was printed out in 36 hours 69 00:03:25,530 --> 00:03:23,530 and that's because you're printing one 70 00:03:28,979 --> 00:03:25,540 piece at a time so how it is it's like 71 00:03:30,839 --> 00:03:28,989 um it's like a hot glue gun it's a fancy 72 00:03:32,879 --> 00:03:30,849 hot glue gun that's what it is so you 73 00:03:36,809 --> 00:03:32,889 have the filament right and you see this 74 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:36,819 is like a little it's fed in there it's 75 00:03:42,930 --> 00:03:39,370 like a spaghetti and it heats it up and 76 00:03:45,869 --> 00:03:42,940 then the little nozzle extrudes it like 77 00:03:48,030 --> 00:03:45,879 like squirts it out very slowly one 78 00:03:51,710 --> 00:03:48,040 layer right and then you do your layer 79 00:03:54,270 --> 00:03:51,720 and then the whole level goes down by as 80 00:03:57,780 --> 00:03:54,280 little as you know a fraction of a 81 00:03:59,699 --> 00:03:57,790 millimeter like I have it set to 0.15 82 00:04:02,009 --> 00:03:59,709 millimeters so it goes down then it does 83 00:04:05,849 --> 00:04:02,019 another 0.15 millimeter layer goes down 84 00:04:08,939 --> 00:04:05,859 there's another one and so yeah so you 85 00:04:11,699 --> 00:04:08,949 tie your gun yeah so it does layer by 86 00:04:14,580 --> 00:04:11,709 layer so right it's the your printhead 87 00:04:15,930 --> 00:04:14,590 is moving in two dimensions so it's just 88 00:04:18,509 --> 00:04:15,940 like kind of like a normal printer in 89 00:04:20,759 --> 00:04:18,519 that sense but then it does another 90 00:04:22,470 --> 00:04:20,769 layer and another layer and another 91 00:04:25,110 --> 00:04:22,480 layer and so that's how it 92 00:04:26,820 --> 00:04:25,120 becomes 3d so the thing is basically 93 00:04:30,050 --> 00:04:26,830 just running for 36 hours straight 94 00:04:33,990 --> 00:04:30,060 making this thing yep out pops the gun 95 00:04:36,090 --> 00:04:34,000 well out pops the receiver you know then 96 00:04:38,460 --> 00:04:36,100 you have to there's none that are that 97 00:04:40,050 --> 00:04:38,470 right now and you know I have a lot of 98 00:04:41,460 --> 00:04:40,060 friends in the space and they always get 99 00:04:43,860 --> 00:04:41,470 on me when I'm like oh there's nothing 100 00:04:45,450 --> 00:04:43,870 of this yet and they develop it but 101 00:04:47,970 --> 00:04:45,460 there's none that I'm aware of right now 102 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:47,980 that you just that is one piece you know 103 00:04:52,380 --> 00:04:50,890 single print job to where you know you 104 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:52,390 run it and then you take out your 105 00:04:57,780 --> 00:04:54,370 complete gun it usually requires some 106 00:05:01,980 --> 00:04:57,790 assembly and some tinkering how tricky 107 00:05:03,510 --> 00:05:01,990 is the assembly it depends it can depend 108 00:05:06,180 --> 00:05:03,520 from you know you needing to have like 109 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:06,190 basically small machine equipment to 110 00:05:09,930 --> 00:05:08,530 this one that I've been showing you just 111 00:05:11,670 --> 00:05:09,940 a little bit of filing 112 00:05:14,280 --> 00:05:11,680 just a little filing to smooth out the 113 00:05:16,380 --> 00:05:14,290 rough edges then slap it together and 114 00:05:20,630 --> 00:05:16,390 slap it together meaning screw it 115 00:05:23,910 --> 00:05:20,640 together glue it together pins 116 00:05:25,350 --> 00:05:23,920 little pins see okay 117 00:05:27,810 --> 00:05:25,360 let's put all the things in together and 118 00:05:31,110 --> 00:05:27,820 put the pins in screws on this way 119 00:05:34,020 --> 00:05:31,120 presume you need to acquire a software 120 00:05:36,030 --> 00:05:34,030 program to run on the printer to build 121 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:36,040 it yeah the printers generally have 122 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:39,450 their own software they're really simple 123 00:05:44,070 --> 00:05:42,370 like basically the the file you feed to 124 00:05:46,140 --> 00:05:44,080 the printer is specific to that printer 125 00:05:48,390 --> 00:05:46,150 the software that's like kind of 126 00:05:50,460 --> 00:05:48,400 complicated is the slicer which is what 127 00:05:53,670 --> 00:05:50,470 you put on your computer and that goes 128 00:05:56,100 --> 00:05:53,680 from the 3d model and then slices it 129 00:05:57,810 --> 00:05:56,110 right into layers and in those layers 130 00:06:00,480 --> 00:05:57,820 there's instructions which are basically 131 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:00,490 like move left you know 300 millimeters 132 00:06:06,540 --> 00:06:03,210 move up 300 mil you know like like that 133 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:06,550 and so yeah that's that your slicer 134 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:09,010 software converts the 3d file into 135 00:06:11,910 --> 00:06:10,930 instructions for your machine and then 136 00:06:15,180 --> 00:06:11,920 you just feed the Machine the 137 00:06:17,370 --> 00:06:15,190 instructions you just click on it and it 138 00:06:20,220 --> 00:06:17,380 spits it out and do you have to pay for 139 00:06:23,280 --> 00:06:20,230 that software uh there's some like 140 00:06:26,220 --> 00:06:23,290 really luxurious ones better that are 141 00:06:28,020 --> 00:06:26,230 like a hundred bucks but usually they're 142 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:28,030 free I mean the ones that most people 143 00:06:34,170 --> 00:06:32,530 use cura which is free and you're pretty 144 00:06:36,050 --> 00:06:34,180 much assured to get on the FBI watch 145 00:06:38,629 --> 00:06:36,060 list by downloading this off 146 00:06:40,490 --> 00:06:38,639 probably right I mean it's you the same 147 00:06:43,010 --> 00:06:40,500 software is used for everything so like 148 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:43,020 the same people who are making you know 149 00:06:49,940 --> 00:06:46,610 prosthesis same people who are making 150 00:06:51,590 --> 00:06:49,950 you know like little pin holders or like 151 00:06:53,300 --> 00:06:51,600 I have a little business card holder 152 00:06:53,990 --> 00:06:53,310 that I 3d printed we all use the same 153 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:54,000 stuff 154 00:06:58,940 --> 00:06:56,130 yeah but specifically though the 155 00:07:01,730 --> 00:06:58,950 software that says computer make this or 156 00:07:05,659 --> 00:07:01,740 printer make this gun that's gotta be 157 00:07:06,409 --> 00:07:05,669 obviously unique it's all the same it's 158 00:07:08,840 --> 00:07:06,419 all the same 159 00:07:12,379 --> 00:07:08,850 hey I use the same exact software to go 160 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:12,389 from design to 3d object that you would 161 00:07:17,390 --> 00:07:15,210 for a business card holder or hand okay 162 00:07:18,890 --> 00:07:17,400 but but isn't somebody else designing 163 00:07:23,150 --> 00:07:18,900 the gun you're not the one designing the 164 00:07:26,810 --> 00:07:23,160 gun sometimes I do okay but I'm a little 165 00:07:28,340 --> 00:07:26,820 weird in that way but ya know we there's 166 00:07:32,719 --> 00:07:28,350 there's all kinds of groups where people 167 00:07:35,150 --> 00:07:32,729 trade files and just now def CAD opened 168 00:07:39,409 --> 00:07:35,160 back up so anybody can go online and 169 00:07:41,750 --> 00:07:39,419 download all the designs if I think the 170 00:07:43,850 --> 00:07:41,760 FBI probably like be more interested in 171 00:07:50,270 --> 00:07:43,860 you if you were developing medical 172 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:50,280 devices then then this stuff but you see 173 00:07:56,180 --> 00:07:53,130 it's just so what else have you made 174 00:07:59,630 --> 00:07:56,190 with your 3d printer I don't even know 175 00:08:01,310 --> 00:07:59,640 I've had um I was kind of like I wasn't 176 00:08:02,779 --> 00:08:01,320 a super early adopter but I was 177 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:02,789 relatively early I've been in it for 178 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:07,530 like five years I just do stuff like all 179 00:08:12,050 --> 00:08:09,330 the time whenever I think of something 180 00:08:14,270 --> 00:08:12,060 like I was restoring an old lathe I do 181 00:08:16,969 --> 00:08:14,280 some metalworking and it didn't have a 182 00:08:18,770 --> 00:08:16,979 threading dial and so I went online and 183 00:08:20,629 --> 00:08:18,780 I found a threading dial for another 184 00:08:23,210 --> 00:08:20,639 model and I modified it to work with my 185 00:08:25,460 --> 00:08:23,220 lathe and burn it out like I said a 186 00:08:28,250 --> 00:08:25,470 business card holder a little stand for 187 00:08:31,730 --> 00:08:28,260 my phone just little things that you 188 00:08:33,140 --> 00:08:31,740 don't want to order you know and where 189 00:08:35,930 --> 00:08:33,150 do you get the 3d printer can you get it 190 00:08:38,149 --> 00:08:35,940 on Amazon yeah yeah everybody should I 191 00:08:42,050 --> 00:08:38,159 feel like everybody should have an ender 192 00:08:45,290 --> 00:08:42,060 3 the under 3 is 175 bucks and it's able 193 00:08:48,740 --> 00:08:45,300 to you can totally do guns with it you 194 00:08:52,130 --> 00:08:48,750 give me that name again ender ya Yin 195 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:52,140 dr3 that's not what I use I use a raised 196 00:08:57,650 --> 00:08:56,130 3d n2 which is like you know it's a 197 00:09:00,560 --> 00:08:57,660 couple years old but it was a really 198 00:09:02,530 --> 00:09:00,570 advanced machine but nowadays the the 199 00:09:05,630 --> 00:09:02,540 Enders for a couple hundred bucks are 200 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:05,640 totally totally enough and besides guns 201 00:09:09,010 --> 00:09:07,050 what would you say they're primarily 202 00:09:11,540 --> 00:09:09,020 used for in people's homes 203 00:09:13,850 --> 00:09:11,550 just whatever anybody's there anything 204 00:09:16,340 --> 00:09:13,860 that that kinda is a common thing that's 205 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:16,350 it's really great for people really like 206 00:09:23,180 --> 00:09:20,130 making mounting stuff uh people like 207 00:09:25,790 --> 00:09:23,190 people like to have solutions for like 208 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:25,800 home organization and stuff like that I 209 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:27,810 see that's what I see mostly and then 210 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:31,530 like trinket tree people like I know the 211 00:09:34,700 --> 00:09:32,970 people who do like the trading card 212 00:09:37,430 --> 00:09:34,710 games like to have little figurines 213 00:09:39,620 --> 00:09:37,440 there's a lot of that I don't know 214 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:39,630 people use it for I mean it's kind of 215 00:09:43,730 --> 00:09:40,890 like asking what do you use a printer 216 00:09:46,730 --> 00:09:43,740 for you know it's gotten it's gotten 217 00:09:49,150 --> 00:09:46,740 some advanced that it's really you know 218 00:09:52,130 --> 00:09:49,160 I've used it to print out an auto part 219 00:09:54,350 --> 00:09:52,140 my buddy has an old diesel Mercedes that 220 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:54,360 needs these certain plastic rings that 221 00:09:59,870 --> 00:09:56,450 we just burn them out sometimes 222 00:10:02,170 --> 00:09:59,880 well guns writes people must certainly 223 00:10:03,770 --> 00:10:02,180 like them we can use that to segue into 224 00:10:06,350 --> 00:10:03,780 specifically what we're talking about 225 00:10:08,079 --> 00:10:06,360 you're probably very busy today we know 226 00:10:11,270 --> 00:10:08,089 that lawsuit was filed in California 227 00:10:13,820 --> 00:10:11,280 right on Friday 228 00:10:16,910 --> 00:10:13,830 we've been ourselves questioning the 229 00:10:19,070 --> 00:10:16,920 constitutionality not just of anything 230 00:10:21,950 --> 00:10:19,080 that shuts down gun stores but the stay 231 00:10:24,410 --> 00:10:21,960 at home orders the limitation on 232 00:10:26,510 --> 00:10:24,420 personal liberty by the government 233 00:10:27,829 --> 00:10:26,520 ordering everybody to stay in the home 234 00:10:29,540 --> 00:10:27,839 and maybe maybe we'll get to that talk 235 00:10:31,070 --> 00:10:29,550 about that a little bit also just get 236 00:10:34,610 --> 00:10:31,080 your thoughts on that but let's start 237 00:10:37,370 --> 00:10:34,620 with with guns and start quickly at the 238 00:10:40,340 --> 00:10:37,380 beginning and then get to the specifics 239 00:10:44,150 --> 00:10:40,350 because this is the first gun interview 240 00:10:46,220 --> 00:10:44,160 I've done for our show and guns is an 241 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:46,230 interesting issue I personally am NOT a 242 00:10:52,340 --> 00:10:49,770 huge gun rights guy myself but I'm I'm a 243 00:10:54,410 --> 00:10:52,350 rule of law Constitution guy so if the 244 00:10:58,060 --> 00:10:54,420 Constitution says you can have it you 245 00:11:01,010 --> 00:10:58,070 have to have it so let's start there and 246 00:11:02,390 --> 00:11:01,020 just read it for everybody everybody's 247 00:11:03,740 --> 00:11:02,400 heard this before but I think 248 00:11:05,300 --> 00:11:03,750 two worthwhile place to start which is 249 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:05,310 the Second Amendment which says that a 250 00:11:09,500 --> 00:11:07,410 well-regulated militia being necessary 251 00:11:11,630 --> 00:11:09,510 to the security of a free State the 252 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:11,640 right of the people to keep and bear 253 00:11:20,330 --> 00:11:16,410 arms shall not be infringed the the this 254 00:11:22,460 --> 00:11:20,340 was written in a very odd way and 255 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:22,470 there's been multiple Supreme Court 256 00:11:27,140 --> 00:11:24,450 rulings about the meaning of the Second 257 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:27,150 Amendment and I know in particular the 258 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:29,010 Supreme Court has said that yes in fact 259 00:11:34,250 --> 00:11:32,250 an individual has the right to have a 260 00:11:36,860 --> 00:11:34,260 gun even though it talks about a militia 261 00:11:40,460 --> 00:11:36,870 they're not talking about the military 262 00:11:42,590 --> 00:11:40,470 or State National Guard or state 263 00:11:44,090 --> 00:11:42,600 military men being able to have a gun 264 00:11:48,620 --> 00:11:44,100 we're talking about every individual 265 00:11:50,710 --> 00:11:48,630 having one but it is worded in a 266 00:11:54,350 --> 00:11:50,720 confusing way that leaves open that 267 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:54,360 argument so let's just put a pin in that 268 00:11:59,120 --> 00:11:57,330 for a second if we could why is it kind 269 00:12:00,890 --> 00:11:59,130 of oddly worded like this where it talks 270 00:12:02,390 --> 00:12:00,900 about the militia if you know the real 271 00:12:05,030 --> 00:12:02,400 intent is know everybody supposed to 272 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:05,040 have a gun be able to help it's really 273 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:06,930 not oddly work worded if you look at it 274 00:12:13,420 --> 00:12:10,650 in the way people wrote back then and 275 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:13,430 this has been pretty extensively studied 276 00:12:18,110 --> 00:12:16,410 so what it is is if there's what's 277 00:12:22,370 --> 00:12:18,120 called a predatory clause and then the 278 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:22,380 operative Clause so the reason you do 279 00:12:25,610 --> 00:12:23,970 these clauses and you see these in all 280 00:12:27,590 --> 00:12:25,620 kinds of state constitutions in other 281 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:27,600 areas right not just in the state right 282 00:12:31,900 --> 00:12:29,130 to keep and bear arms but in like state 283 00:12:34,610 --> 00:12:31,910 free speech things whereas you know like 284 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:34,620 freedom of assembly being essential or 285 00:12:38,930 --> 00:12:36,930 this is that it's back then it was in 286 00:12:43,610 --> 00:12:38,940 fashion when you were doing something to 287 00:12:46,370 --> 00:12:43,620 start with an example an example of why 288 00:12:48,830 --> 00:12:46,380 you might do something so like if there 289 00:12:50,570 --> 00:12:48,840 was a right to you know a specific 290 00:12:52,190 --> 00:12:50,580 constitutional right to cars I think 291 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:52,200 there is a right to cars but anyway if 292 00:12:56,420 --> 00:12:53,610 there was a specific constitutionally 293 00:12:59,240 --> 00:12:56,430 illuminated right of two cars and it 294 00:13:01,580 --> 00:12:59,250 started with convertibles being 295 00:13:03,950 --> 00:13:01,590 wonderful to drive on a summer day the 296 00:13:06,860 --> 00:13:03,960 right to keep and own automobiles shall 297 00:13:08,390 --> 00:13:06,870 not be infringed would you say that you 298 00:13:10,010 --> 00:13:08,400 know would you think that it only meant 299 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:10,020 convertibles or would you understand 300 00:13:14,810 --> 00:13:12,450 that oh they just like those at the time 301 00:13:15,330 --> 00:13:14,820 you know and that was one thing that you 302 00:13:17,340 --> 00:13:15,340 could do 303 00:13:19,470 --> 00:13:17,350 with cars let's that's what it is in the 304 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:19,480 Second Amendment so they're starting 305 00:13:23,490 --> 00:13:21,130 with the idea that hey a well-regulated 306 00:13:25,530 --> 00:13:23,500 militias necessary to the security of a 307 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:25,540 free State mm-hmm 308 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:27,610 that's really just the preface that's 309 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:30,490 kind of the example yeah and you have a 310 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:32,770 comma and then it says the right of the 311 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:35,410 people to keep and bear Arms shall not 312 00:13:41,970 --> 00:13:39,850 be infringed so right so a militia which 313 00:13:43,680 --> 00:13:41,980 back then also regulated didn't mean 314 00:13:45,300 --> 00:13:43,690 like checkboard warrior making sure 315 00:13:47,220 --> 00:13:45,310 you've complied with all the stuff back 316 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:47,230 then and regular meant to make regular 317 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:50,730 as in frequent often you know available 318 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:53,890 so that's what that meant then but so 319 00:13:59,730 --> 00:13:57,010 yeah a good state militia being one of 320 00:14:04,050 --> 00:13:59,740 the things that is a wonderful thing to 321 00:14:05,970 --> 00:14:04,060 have it is thus required that we all be 322 00:14:08,250 --> 00:14:05,980 able to keep and bear arms and that's 323 00:14:09,870 --> 00:14:08,260 the people so like and there's also an 324 00:14:12,740 --> 00:14:09,880 interesting definitional thing there too 325 00:14:17,070 --> 00:14:12,750 so militia back then was defined as 326 00:14:19,170 --> 00:14:17,080 something like all men above you know 327 00:14:22,980 --> 00:14:19,180 above a certain age except for some 328 00:14:25,950 --> 00:14:22,990 bureaucrats so it wasn't like you know 329 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:25,960 the National Guard this was you know 330 00:14:29,550 --> 00:14:27,850 back you had militia acts at the 331 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:29,560 founding era which just specified if 332 00:14:32,940 --> 00:14:30,970 you're above this age and you don't work 333 00:14:35,820 --> 00:14:32,950 in government you need to keep a powder 334 00:14:39,050 --> 00:14:35,830 pistol this that and the other ready and 335 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:39,060 you need to come to militia practice so 336 00:14:44,820 --> 00:14:41,730 there's that and then there's the people 337 00:14:46,770 --> 00:14:44,830 right which i think is written as 338 00:14:50,430 --> 00:14:46,780 succinctly as it possibly could be it 339 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:50,440 doesn't say citizens it doesn't say you 340 00:14:54,510 --> 00:14:52,690 know it doesn't say a specific race it 341 00:14:58,200 --> 00:14:54,520 doesn't say a specific creed or a job 342 00:15:01,770 --> 00:14:58,210 title it just says the people so all of 343 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:01,780 the people that are in the country have 344 00:15:08,940 --> 00:15:04,890 the right to keep and bear arms and 345 00:15:11,700 --> 00:15:08,950 militias are one great thing that 346 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:11,710 happens as a result of that and one of 347 00:15:17,340 --> 00:15:14,410 the thoughts was that a state one of the 348 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:17,350 13 states may have its own militia is 349 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:19,810 that right well yeah it was I mean all 350 00:15:23,250 --> 00:15:21,610 the states were expected to have 351 00:15:25,740 --> 00:15:23,260 militias and you'd have local militias 352 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:25,750 as well I mean this was just say was a 353 00:15:31,300 --> 00:15:28,730 normal thing and what would use 354 00:15:33,850 --> 00:15:31,310 say was the purpose behind it because 355 00:15:35,590 --> 00:15:33,860 there's a lot of people that get 356 00:15:37,449 --> 00:15:35,600 confused about that or talk about 357 00:15:39,790 --> 00:15:37,459 different things so is the purpose 358 00:15:42,310 --> 00:15:39,800 because people should be able to hunt 359 00:15:44,829 --> 00:15:42,320 and gather their own food through funds 360 00:15:46,750 --> 00:15:44,839 is the purpose because people need to be 361 00:15:49,420 --> 00:15:46,760 able to defend themselves against a 362 00:15:54,069 --> 00:15:49,430 criminal breaking into their home or is 363 00:15:56,259 --> 00:15:54,079 the purpose that we need that we can't 364 00:15:58,740 --> 00:15:56,269 let the government become so oppressive 365 00:16:00,699 --> 00:15:58,750 that the people could never 366 00:16:02,379 --> 00:16:00,709 theoretically rebelled against that we 367 00:16:05,199 --> 00:16:02,389 rebelled against Great Britain and we 368 00:16:07,810 --> 00:16:05,209 used muskets in order to have a 369 00:16:11,650 --> 00:16:07,820 revolution and and throw off an 370 00:16:13,150 --> 00:16:11,660 oppressive King so is that what we've 371 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:13,160 had in mind is that hey if the US 372 00:16:17,439 --> 00:16:16,250 government becomes King like at some 373 00:16:18,610 --> 00:16:17,449 point even though we've done everything 374 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:18,620 we could to guard against it through 375 00:16:26,860 --> 00:16:22,370 checks bounce power etc that that's what 376 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:26,870 we need guns for so like there's there's 377 00:16:31,269 --> 00:16:29,810 a lot to unpack there but the the first 378 00:16:33,689 --> 00:16:31,279 thing I like to start out with as I say 379 00:16:36,790 --> 00:16:33,699 you don't have a second Amendment right 380 00:16:39,340 --> 00:16:36,800 you're right to keep and bear arms is 381 00:16:41,530 --> 00:16:39,350 recognized by the Second Amendment so I 382 00:16:43,780 --> 00:16:41,540 try to take it out of that context so 383 00:16:47,290 --> 00:16:43,790 like I don't try to think of why we have 384 00:16:49,780 --> 00:16:47,300 the right to arms within that you know 385 00:16:53,170 --> 00:16:49,790 several word framework I think of it 386 00:16:55,740 --> 00:16:53,180 more broadly and that's the way the 387 00:16:57,460 --> 00:16:55,750 founders thought of it and in fact the 388 00:17:00,610 --> 00:16:57,470 anti-federalists you know they fought 389 00:17:03,879 --> 00:17:00,620 heavily against these amendments because 390 00:17:06,100 --> 00:17:03,889 they thought that well if you if you 391 00:17:07,990 --> 00:17:06,110 suggest that you know we have a right 392 00:17:09,250 --> 00:17:08,000 that can't be infringed that that 393 00:17:10,870 --> 00:17:09,260 suggests in the beginning that the 394 00:17:13,569 --> 00:17:10,880 government could have the power to take 395 00:17:15,340 --> 00:17:13,579 your arms away in the beginning so you 396 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:15,350 know that's a really like thousand-foot 397 00:17:21,970 --> 00:17:19,730 overview of that but as for why well ya 398 00:17:23,319 --> 00:17:21,980 know there's no white tail clause to the 399 00:17:26,679 --> 00:17:23,329 Second Amendment right there's no 400 00:17:28,270 --> 00:17:26,689 pheasant clause and if we think of it in 401 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:28,280 terms of hunting which is incredibly 402 00:17:34,330 --> 00:17:30,290 frustrating to me because we've 403 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:34,340 tolerated such incredible restrictive 404 00:17:38,049 --> 00:17:36,290 regulations in the hunting context since 405 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:38,059 the beginning of our society I think 406 00:17:41,950 --> 00:17:40,010 that shows that hunting is something 407 00:17:43,390 --> 00:17:41,960 entirely separate from the right to game 408 00:17:45,490 --> 00:17:43,400 in bear arms right because for a long 409 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:45,500 time the government we've tolerated the 410 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:46,850 government saying alright this is when 411 00:17:50,049 --> 00:17:48,290 you can hunt this animal this is when 412 00:17:52,060 --> 00:17:50,059 you're gonna have this tan you know that 413 00:17:54,100 --> 00:17:52,070 doesn't sound like what we're talking 414 00:17:58,060 --> 00:17:54,110 about what we're talking about is 415 00:18:01,000 --> 00:17:58,070 there's one simple way to look at it do 416 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:01,010 you have the right to control your body 417 00:18:06,669 --> 00:18:04,850 against unlawful force I think the 418 00:18:07,899 --> 00:18:06,679 answer is yes and so that could be 419 00:18:09,610 --> 00:18:07,909 anything unlawful force could be 420 00:18:11,140 --> 00:18:09,620 anything if the government is acting 421 00:18:13,180 --> 00:18:11,150 tyrannical that's unlawful it's 422 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:13,190 unconstitutional and so do you have a 423 00:18:17,770 --> 00:18:15,650 right to secure yourself against 424 00:18:19,360 --> 00:18:17,780 unlawful action of the government I 425 00:18:20,860 --> 00:18:19,370 think so do you have a right to secure 426 00:18:22,630 --> 00:18:20,870 yourself against unlawful action of 427 00:18:24,610 --> 00:18:22,640 other people well what's the government 428 00:18:27,340 --> 00:18:24,620 but a bunch of other people so it all 429 00:18:29,230 --> 00:18:27,350 boils down to that we have the right to 430 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:29,240 protect ourselves against the worst day 431 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:30,250 of our lives 432 00:18:35,380 --> 00:18:32,450 you know against something horrible 433 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:35,390 happening to us and that's so that's 434 00:18:38,380 --> 00:18:36,290 what it's all about 435 00:18:41,470 --> 00:18:38,390 they had just gone through this horrible 436 00:18:44,770 --> 00:18:41,480 war with people that were their brothers 437 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:44,780 shortly before right against what was 438 00:18:49,990 --> 00:18:47,570 their own government and they recognized 439 00:18:53,860 --> 00:18:50,000 that this was people being treated 440 00:18:56,289 --> 00:18:53,870 inhumanely and unlawfully and so there 441 00:18:58,450 --> 00:18:56,299 was no other choice but to use forests 442 00:19:00,399 --> 00:18:58,460 and is it fair to say that you think 443 00:19:04,659 --> 00:19:00,409 that was the primary purpose of the 444 00:19:06,130 --> 00:19:04,669 amendment was to allow the people to 445 00:19:09,370 --> 00:19:06,140 defend themselves against an oppressive 446 00:19:11,049 --> 00:19:09,380 government I would say given with it 447 00:19:12,370 --> 00:19:11,059 just experience and especially if you 448 00:19:13,860 --> 00:19:12,380 look at the events that led up to 449 00:19:16,330 --> 00:19:13,870 hostilities 450 00:19:18,549 --> 00:19:16,340 guns didn't start going off until about 451 00:19:20,830 --> 00:19:18,559 when they started to try to seize arms 452 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:20,840 and powder so I'd say yes that was 453 00:19:26,740 --> 00:19:23,770 probably pretty fresh in their minds and 454 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:26,750 secondarily might be self-defense 455 00:19:33,340 --> 00:19:31,610 against somebody trying to steal from 456 00:19:36,700 --> 00:19:33,350 you well I'd say it's all self-defense 457 00:19:39,820 --> 00:19:36,710 um I'd say that self-defense against 458 00:19:42,310 --> 00:19:39,830 somebody you know burglarizing you is 459 00:19:44,289 --> 00:19:42,320 the same at its core as self against 460 00:19:47,110 --> 00:19:44,299 defense against somebody acting under 461 00:19:49,120 --> 00:19:47,120 color of an order doing something 462 00:19:51,790 --> 00:19:49,130 similarly violent and unlawful towards 463 00:19:53,590 --> 00:19:51,800 you okay so just just to put a bow on 464 00:19:55,049 --> 00:19:53,600 this before we talk specifically about 465 00:19:57,090 --> 00:19:55,059 California what's going on 466 00:20:01,799 --> 00:19:57,100 right now with coronavirus in these 467 00:20:04,590 --> 00:20:01,809 shutdowns in the in the time of the 468 00:20:07,379 --> 00:20:04,600 Constitution having guns was a good way 469 00:20:09,259 --> 00:20:07,389 to repel government oppression what do 470 00:20:13,669 --> 00:20:09,269 you say about the fact that today 471 00:20:16,529 --> 00:20:13,679 weaponry has become so advanced that 472 00:20:17,999 --> 00:20:16,539 handguns or any type of guns are not 473 00:20:20,489 --> 00:20:18,009 going to be sufficient to be able to 474 00:20:22,919 --> 00:20:20,499 overthrow a government now you've got 475 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:22,929 tanks you've got planes you've got 476 00:20:27,239 --> 00:20:25,090 nuclear weapons yeah you know I could go 477 00:20:30,930 --> 00:20:27,249 through the list of weapons that have 478 00:20:32,669 --> 00:20:30,940 been developed since the revolution that 479 00:20:34,710 --> 00:20:32,679 was fought with muskets 480 00:20:37,830 --> 00:20:34,720 what do you say to people would say well 481 00:20:40,590 --> 00:20:37,840 at this point the second man has become 482 00:20:42,989 --> 00:20:40,600 antiquated because of the advancement of 483 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:42,999 weaponry so we should either get rid of 484 00:20:47,789 --> 00:20:45,610 it for that reason or we need to expand 485 00:20:50,060 --> 00:20:47,799 it and say not only are you allowed to 486 00:20:52,649 --> 00:20:50,070 have a gun you're allowed to have a tank 487 00:20:53,820 --> 00:20:52,659 well I wouldn't call that an expansion I 488 00:20:56,430 --> 00:20:53,830 would say that the Second Amendment 489 00:20:59,009 --> 00:20:56,440 probably does protect tanks as it's 490 00:21:02,460 --> 00:20:59,019 written however I would respond to that 491 00:21:05,789 --> 00:21:02,470 by saying I've been tested in the courts 492 00:21:08,070 --> 00:21:05,799 yet but I don't know if it's been fully 493 00:21:10,619 --> 00:21:08,080 tested but who knows maybe we'll work on 494 00:21:12,419 --> 00:21:10,629 it because it says keep an bare right so 495 00:21:14,129 --> 00:21:12,429 keep must be something you can't hold in 496 00:21:18,899 --> 00:21:14,139 your hands that's that's my theory but 497 00:21:20,249 --> 00:21:18,909 uh so my answer to that would be to just 498 00:21:21,810 --> 00:21:20,259 like you know that's like kind of a 499 00:21:23,100 --> 00:21:21,820 practical concern which is how you're 500 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:23,110 gonna fight the government they'd go 501 00:21:30,239 --> 00:21:28,090 f-16 well I would say that the past 60 502 00:21:32,340 --> 00:21:30,249 years you know in this era of modern 503 00:21:35,340 --> 00:21:32,350 military of you know super modern 504 00:21:37,919 --> 00:21:35,350 military history has been pretty 505 00:21:42,239 --> 00:21:37,929 colorful with examples of motivated 506 00:21:45,239 --> 00:21:42,249 civilian populations using small arms to 507 00:21:47,549 --> 00:21:45,249 bring to its knees the most powerful 508 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:47,559 fighting forces in the world including 509 00:21:53,970 --> 00:21:52,210 including ours so I I don't know I don't 510 00:21:55,529 --> 00:21:53,980 think that makes it any different if it 511 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:55,539 if it made it any different I don't 512 00:22:01,470 --> 00:21:57,369 think we'd still be playing around in 513 00:22:02,879 --> 00:22:01,480 Afghanistan today well you know I I 514 00:22:04,619 --> 00:22:02,889 agree with the point you made but I 515 00:22:06,659 --> 00:22:04,629 could take it even a step further I mean 516 00:22:08,590 --> 00:22:06,669 if you look at many revolutions these 517 00:22:10,180 --> 00:22:08,600 days for instance in Egypt it wasn't 518 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:10,190 people leaving leave use handguns they 519 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:12,290 just pour it into the streets and you're 520 00:22:17,140 --> 00:22:15,530 gonna cut down a city and a state simply 521 00:22:21,100 --> 00:22:17,150 by the people saying we're not working 522 00:22:21,790 --> 00:22:21,110 anymore and we're going to jam your 523 00:22:24,100 --> 00:22:21,800 streets with people 524 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:24,110 oh yeah and look at the Arab strips the 525 00:22:27,370 --> 00:22:25,850 Arab Spring right there there were 526 00:22:30,940 --> 00:22:27,380 spirits of violence but a lot of it was 527 00:22:33,100 --> 00:22:30,950 peaceful um you know that you you don't 528 00:22:35,950 --> 00:22:33,110 you don't need to have a military win 529 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:35,960 you don't need to blow up tanks to get 530 00:22:38,980 --> 00:22:37,490 the hearts and minds of the people in 531 00:22:40,870 --> 00:22:38,990 fact all you need is the hearts and 532 00:22:43,630 --> 00:22:40,880 minds of the people to win in the long 533 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:43,640 term but it sounds like you would argue 534 00:22:50,020 --> 00:22:45,970 that the Second Amendment protects not 535 00:22:53,380 --> 00:22:50,030 just guns but perhaps even weapons 536 00:22:58,350 --> 00:22:53,390 beyond it including a tank and including 537 00:23:02,230 --> 00:22:58,360 an airplane that can shoot a missile 538 00:23:05,890 --> 00:23:02,240 probably I think that there are probably 539 00:23:09,220 --> 00:23:05,900 some limitations which but like a 540 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:09,230 limitation in a different way not as in 541 00:23:16,690 --> 00:23:12,410 like you know this is the caliber limit 542 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:16,700 but is in is there a you know can you 543 00:23:24,070 --> 00:23:19,690 use that equipment in a way that doesn't 544 00:23:25,780 --> 00:23:24,080 necessarily cause public harm and like 545 00:23:27,310 --> 00:23:25,790 that's a kind of pointy-headed academic 546 00:23:29,250 --> 00:23:27,320 way of looking at it but I don't think 547 00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:29,260 the limit I don't think there is a like 548 00:23:34,690 --> 00:23:32,480 the right to keep and bear arms as long 549 00:23:38,530 --> 00:23:34,700 as you can for you know you can use 550 00:23:40,510 --> 00:23:38,540 those arms in a responsible manner in a 551 00:23:42,610 --> 00:23:40,520 legal way I don't think there's a 552 00:23:44,380 --> 00:23:42,620 justification for banning them or 553 00:23:46,990 --> 00:23:44,390 locking people in cages for owning them 554 00:23:49,060 --> 00:23:47,000 but it hasn't the Supreme Court ruled 555 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:49,070 that you can restrict for instance 556 00:23:57,510 --> 00:23:52,210 automatic automatic weapons not quite 557 00:24:00,280 --> 00:23:57,520 they they didn't exactly say that they 558 00:24:04,660 --> 00:24:00,290 what they said was is dangerous and 559 00:24:08,230 --> 00:24:04,670 unusual weapons may be able to be 560 00:24:09,850 --> 00:24:08,240 regulated and that in time you know 561 00:24:11,830 --> 00:24:09,860 they'll be able to discover that much 562 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:11,840 but in in however the court really 563 00:24:19,930 --> 00:24:15,290 didn't approve much they left a lot to 564 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:19,940 be reinterpreted that said if you 565 00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:21,530 brought a machine gun case to the 566 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:22,400 Supreme Court to 567 00:24:28,090 --> 00:24:25,970 do I think they would so I think they 568 00:24:28,540 --> 00:24:28,100 would rule in favor of the people's 569 00:24:31,630 --> 00:24:28,550 rights 570 00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:31,640 I don't know right but you know I'm 571 00:24:37,270 --> 00:24:33,200 speaking from a theoretical perspective 572 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:37,280 from what the Constitution actually says 573 00:24:44,770 --> 00:24:40,490 what the intent of that was and how does 574 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:44,780 you know how does a civil society that 575 00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:46,850 respects individual liberty function and 576 00:24:52,299 --> 00:24:49,370 I think that if it doesn't matter what 577 00:24:53,890 --> 00:24:52,309 color your gun is or or how it works 578 00:24:56,710 --> 00:24:53,900 if you haven't done anything wrong with 579 00:24:58,680 --> 00:24:56,720 it I think it's immoral and wrong to 580 00:25:02,440 --> 00:24:58,690 lock people in cages for owning them 581 00:25:05,460 --> 00:25:02,450 yeah well most constitutional rights if 582 00:25:07,690 --> 00:25:05,470 not all are subject to some reasonable 583 00:25:09,310 --> 00:25:07,700 limitations here's a quote that I just 584 00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:09,320 kind of pulled I think it was actually 585 00:25:13,630 --> 00:25:11,809 from the ACLU but I think you'd probably 586 00:25:15,310 --> 00:25:13,640 agree with it there's no right is 587 00:25:18,130 --> 00:25:15,320 absolute the government is always 588 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:18,140 allowed to restrict the right if it can 589 00:25:22,930 --> 00:25:20,450 satisfy constitutional strict scrutiny 590 00:25:25,510 --> 00:25:22,940 and show the restriction is narrowly 591 00:25:28,060 --> 00:25:25,520 tailored to promote a goal of compelling 592 00:25:30,910 --> 00:25:28,070 importance and that's been applied to 593 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:30,920 the Second Amendment also by the Supreme 594 00:25:36,220 --> 00:25:33,170 Court right so it's not a hundred 595 00:25:37,660 --> 00:25:36,230 percent absolute reasonable restriction 596 00:25:42,150 --> 00:25:37,670 subject to script strict scrutiny 597 00:25:46,630 --> 00:25:42,160 narrowly tailored usually is permissible 598 00:25:51,220 --> 00:25:46,640 so I questioned the concept of tiered 599 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:51,230 scrutiny at its core so I you know a lot 600 00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:52,730 of law professors will tell you this is 601 00:25:57,870 --> 00:25:54,320 it this is how it's been done this is 602 00:26:01,030 --> 00:25:57,880 the way we view our rights but it really 603 00:26:03,730 --> 00:26:01,040 you know this this way of looking at our 604 00:26:05,650 --> 00:26:03,740 rights is actually kind of new and I 605 00:26:06,190 --> 00:26:05,660 don't know if it's the right way to look 606 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:06,200 at our rights 607 00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:09,290 I don't think there and so then that's 608 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:10,370 the other question how do you view our 609 00:26:20,049 --> 00:26:16,210 right so is your right to do something I 610 00:26:24,850 --> 00:26:20,059 think it's exclusive of other people's 611 00:26:28,900 --> 00:26:24,860 rights so you can take you know you're 612 00:26:31,660 --> 00:26:28,910 like being in the woods can you swing a 613 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:31,670 hammer in any direction I'd say probably 614 00:26:35,590 --> 00:26:34,010 yes right if you are free to do that 615 00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:35,600 you are free to swing your hammer and 616 00:26:39,820 --> 00:26:37,760 any directions but do you have the right 617 00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:39,830 to and I would say under a natural 618 00:26:44,260 --> 00:26:41,600 rights perspective you have the right to 619 00:26:46,900 --> 00:26:44,270 swing your hammer in any direction until 620 00:26:50,620 --> 00:26:46,910 it touches another person or another 621 00:26:52,930 --> 00:26:50,630 person's property so but is that 622 00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:52,940 limiting your right I don't think so I 623 00:26:58,029 --> 00:26:55,130 think it's that your rights have to 624 00:27:00,909 --> 00:26:58,039 exist with other people's right so I 625 00:27:03,940 --> 00:27:00,919 don't think there's a way to justify a 626 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:03,950 ban on you know suppressors machine gun 627 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:05,330 short-barrel rifles or anything like 628 00:27:09,730 --> 00:27:07,970 that on their own I think there's a 629 00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:09,740 there might be a way to justify saying 630 00:27:13,390 --> 00:27:11,600 you know you'll get extra years in 631 00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:13,400 prison if you use one of these in the 632 00:27:19,570 --> 00:27:17,360 commission of a robbery but I think that 633 00:27:22,740 --> 00:27:19,580 if you just look at it by itself like 634 00:27:25,659 --> 00:27:22,750 let's say you know let's say you had a 635 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:25,669 suppressor you know a firearm suppressor 636 00:27:29,230 --> 00:27:27,650 on the table in front of you and you 637 00:27:32,940 --> 00:27:29,240 hadn't filled out your paperwork and 638 00:27:36,460 --> 00:27:32,950 paid your tax where is the moral 639 00:27:39,250 --> 00:27:36,470 justification for the government coming 640 00:27:42,130 --> 00:27:39,260 and locking you away right for doing 641 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:42,140 that I don't I don't see it I don't see 642 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:44,090 it until the very point where somebody 643 00:27:49,659 --> 00:27:46,490 else has been hurt and so if you didn't 644 00:27:51,580 --> 00:27:49,669 hurt anybody and you were you had your 645 00:27:54,460 --> 00:27:51,590 rights taken away from you as a result 646 00:27:56,919 --> 00:27:54,470 of owning a weapon of any sort I would 647 00:27:59,200 --> 00:27:56,929 say your rights were violated I gotcha 648 00:28:01,600 --> 00:27:59,210 so but anyway brought it broadly 649 00:28:03,730 --> 00:28:01,610 speaking certainly the current state of 650 00:28:05,649 --> 00:28:03,740 the law for the most part part is that 651 00:28:09,460 --> 00:28:05,659 constitutional rights can be subject to 652 00:28:11,740 --> 00:28:09,470 some reasonable limitations so let's 653 00:28:14,529 --> 00:28:11,750 talk about what's going on in California 654 00:28:16,330 --> 00:28:14,539 and some other places and I know there's 655 00:28:17,980 --> 00:28:16,340 been some very recent developments even 656 00:28:20,470 --> 00:28:17,990 over the weekend so I'll get into 657 00:28:22,180 --> 00:28:20,480 specifics in a second but generally 658 00:28:24,820 --> 00:28:22,190 speaking what happened in California is 659 00:28:29,919 --> 00:28:24,830 a closing of all non-essential 660 00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:29,929 businesses and determined gun stores 661 00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:32,000 were not considered essential so in 662 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:33,440 certain places in California they've 663 00:28:39,220 --> 00:28:36,530 been closed with the rationale being 664 00:28:41,740 --> 00:28:39,230 that this is a reasonable restriction 665 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:41,750 because we have exigent circumstances 666 00:28:50,900 --> 00:28:47,730 we've got an uncontrolled enemy 667 00:28:54,410 --> 00:28:50,910 that that being this virus that we need 668 00:28:57,380 --> 00:28:54,420 to control so for the time being we need 669 00:29:00,760 --> 00:28:57,390 to shut down gun stores what your 670 00:29:02,510 --> 00:29:00,770 thought about that being a reasonable 671 00:29:04,490 --> 00:29:02,520 restriction on your gun rights 672 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:04,500 considering this national emergency we 673 00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:12,570 face it's stupid well put so it's like 674 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:14,640 this gets into tailoring like you were 675 00:29:19,670 --> 00:29:17,010 talking about if the government and so 676 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:19,680 like if I'm to accept this you know 677 00:29:24,260 --> 00:29:21,570 framework if the government is to 678 00:29:27,740 --> 00:29:24,270 restrict rights which in California it 679 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:27,750 unquestionably has is it in a way that 680 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:30,210 is tailored narrowly right so it does 681 00:29:34,730 --> 00:29:32,730 the minimum it has to do to achieve its 682 00:29:38,060 --> 00:29:34,740 interest its interest is stopping 683 00:29:42,590 --> 00:29:38,070 coronavirus good luck government but so 684 00:29:44,270 --> 00:29:42,600 then let's say this what does closing 685 00:29:46,010 --> 00:29:44,280 gun shops have to do with stopping 686 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:46,020 coronavirus like keeping people away 687 00:29:49,850 --> 00:29:47,370 from each other I understand that 688 00:29:51,740 --> 00:29:49,860 however people are already in contact in 689 00:29:56,090 --> 00:29:51,750 other ways so this isn't narrowly 690 00:29:58,550 --> 00:29:56,100 tailored also does it take as little of 691 00:29:59,560 --> 00:29:58,560 the right as possible absolutely not so 692 00:30:02,780 --> 00:29:59,570 in California 693 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:02,790 unlike in my home state of Florida where 694 00:30:07,460 --> 00:30:04,530 we have other options aside from gun 695 00:30:09,650 --> 00:30:07,470 shops we can buy from other individuals 696 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:09,660 other Floridians we can make our own 697 00:30:14,660 --> 00:30:11,850 firearms without asking the government's 698 00:30:18,380 --> 00:30:14,670 permission like I have one whirring on 699 00:30:20,270 --> 00:30:18,390 the 3d printer behind me you have those 700 00:30:22,610 --> 00:30:20,280 options in California the government has 701 00:30:24,530 --> 00:30:22,620 said there is one way to get it and you 702 00:30:28,100 --> 00:30:24,540 have to be funneled into this very 703 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:28,110 narrow chasm and then they shut the door 704 00:30:32,330 --> 00:30:31,050 so that's a total elimination of your 705 00:30:36,110 --> 00:30:32,340 second Amendment right to acquire a 706 00:30:37,850 --> 00:30:36,120 firearm I don't think you can say that 707 00:30:40,100 --> 00:30:37,860 that's narrowly tailored in any sense of 708 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:40,110 the imagination they've completely taken 709 00:30:44,570 --> 00:30:42,210 away the right from anyone who didn't 710 00:30:46,850 --> 00:30:44,580 already have a gun during a time where 711 00:30:48,830 --> 00:30:46,860 people are most uncertain and where 712 00:30:50,810 --> 00:30:48,840 people there is actual fear of looting 713 00:30:53,270 --> 00:30:50,820 you know of toilet paper has gotten 714 00:30:55,730 --> 00:30:53,280 pretty scarce hasn't it there's all 715 00:30:57,170 --> 00:30:55,740 kinds of fears it's uncertain times and 716 00:30:59,090 --> 00:30:57,180 these are the times where people need an 717 00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:59,100 effective mechanism of defense so I 718 00:31:01,370 --> 00:31:00,720 would think that completely barring 719 00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:01,380 people from 720 00:31:06,350 --> 00:31:04,080 firing firearms is as I said before a 721 00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:06,360 bit stupid do you think there's an 722 00:31:13,100 --> 00:31:09,600 ulterior motive to it yes which is I 723 00:31:15,170 --> 00:31:13,110 mean they I this might shock your 724 00:31:18,590 --> 00:31:15,180 audience but government of California is 725 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:18,600 not very gun friendly I don't know if 726 00:31:22,910 --> 00:31:21,450 they've thought this far ahead but in 727 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:22,920 fact I think they probably haven't but 728 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:24,530 this is what I've been thinking about it 729 00:31:28,550 --> 00:31:26,970 these people who are buying guns now a 730 00:31:30,650 --> 00:31:28,560 lot of them are first-time gun buyers 731 00:31:32,150 --> 00:31:30,660 people who have guns like me would not 732 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:32,160 go and buy a gun right now because the 733 00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:33,930 prices are out of control 734 00:31:38,570 --> 00:31:36,720 so now you've got all these new people 735 00:31:39,620 --> 00:31:38,580 who previously a lot of them are 736 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:39,630 probably the type of people who would 737 00:31:42,740 --> 00:31:41,130 say I would never own a gun I don't know 738 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:42,750 why you would ever own a gun now there's 739 00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:44,370 a crisis going on and they kind of 740 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:47,760 understand why we own guns that's gonna 741 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:50,490 cause a huge cultural shift in this 742 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:53,010 country there's gonna be a whole new 743 00:31:57,740 --> 00:31:55,050 generation of gun owners as a result of 744 00:31:59,120 --> 00:31:57,750 this who now can never say that they 745 00:32:03,380 --> 00:31:59,130 don't understand why you would want to 746 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:03,390 buy a gun I can see why people who are 747 00:32:08,870 --> 00:32:05,370 very devoutly anti-gun would want to 748 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:08,880 stem that tide but I couldn't I I don't 749 00:32:12,940 --> 00:32:10,770 really think that they are thinking that 750 00:32:15,890 --> 00:32:12,950 far ahead I think they're just saying oh 751 00:32:17,930 --> 00:32:15,900 not essential I can't comprehend why a 752 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:17,940 gun shop would be essential because I 753 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:19,290 live in a nice neighborhood and I've 754 00:32:25,730 --> 00:32:22,050 never felt in danger and so we're just 755 00:32:28,180 --> 00:32:25,740 gonna show them down yeah California 756 00:32:30,530 --> 00:32:28,190 generally as you point out you know 757 00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:30,540 people's right to bear arms not being on 758 00:32:36,890 --> 00:32:32,880 the top of their list of things to be 759 00:32:39,380 --> 00:32:36,900 concerned about right virus here for 760 00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:39,390 people to have guns down here shut them 761 00:32:46,970 --> 00:32:42,720 down but you know to your point I just 762 00:32:51,620 --> 00:32:46,980 heard coming in this morning 12% of NYPD 763 00:32:54,230 --> 00:32:51,630 are home sick right now and presumably 764 00:32:57,260 --> 00:32:54,240 that's only going to get worse so as you 765 00:32:59,720 --> 00:32:57,270 point out if there was ever a need for a 766 00:33:01,460 --> 00:32:59,730 gun for purposes of self-defense anyway 767 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:01,470 now would be the time 768 00:33:07,130 --> 00:33:04,770 and yet California's shutting that down 769 00:33:11,420 --> 00:33:07,140 or attempting to well we're now starting 770 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:11,430 to realize the cracks in the armor that 771 00:33:14,860 --> 00:33:14,010 exist like the government has made a lot 772 00:33:16,810 --> 00:33:14,870 of us think 773 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:16,820 that you know they've got everything 774 00:33:21,700 --> 00:33:19,490 under control at all times but the 775 00:33:24,190 --> 00:33:21,710 limits of the system are being tested 776 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:24,200 right now like you said 12% home sick in 777 00:33:28,390 --> 00:33:27,290 a massive district that's huge and then 778 00:33:29,380 --> 00:33:28,400 we don't know how many other people are 779 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:29,390 affected right those numbers are 780 00:33:33,100 --> 00:33:30,650 probably gonna explode in the coming 781 00:33:35,890 --> 00:33:33,110 weeks so people are now forced to reckon 782 00:33:39,930 --> 00:33:35,900 with okay you know let's say they're the 783 00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:39,940 police force is down 12% and there's a 784 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:42,320 like let's say forget la but you're 785 00:33:45,130 --> 00:33:43,130 living somewhere in the middle of 786 00:33:46,930 --> 00:33:45,140 country there's an armed robbery 787 00:33:50,530 --> 00:33:46,940 somewhere right 788 00:33:51,940 --> 00:33:50,540 there's looting all of the where all of 789 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:51,950 the cops in the city gonna be they're 790 00:33:56,350 --> 00:33:54,050 gonna be answering that call and now 791 00:34:00,310 --> 00:33:56,360 let's say during this horrible event 792 00:34:02,470 --> 00:34:00,320 something happens to you do you you know 793 00:34:04,660 --> 00:34:02,480 a hundred percent of time are they gonna 794 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:04,670 be able to be there and help you I don't 795 00:34:08,139 --> 00:34:05,210 think so 796 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:08,149 95 percent sure but people are now 797 00:34:13,149 --> 00:34:10,970 realizing about that you know that 798 00:34:15,970 --> 00:34:13,159 possibility that possibility that you 799 00:34:18,129 --> 00:34:15,980 may have to take care of yourself and 800 00:34:21,010 --> 00:34:18,139 you know it's it's I don't think people 801 00:34:22,810 --> 00:34:21,020 I don't think any of these people who 802 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:22,820 are now lining up to get guns are doing 803 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:24,770 it because they want to do anything bad 804 00:34:29,020 --> 00:34:26,210 with guns I think they're doing it 805 00:34:31,060 --> 00:34:29,030 because they are seeing the chips in the 806 00:34:32,860 --> 00:34:31,070 armor they're seeing that the state 807 00:34:35,470 --> 00:34:32,870 can't be there every single time 808 00:34:37,330 --> 00:34:35,480 something bad happens and if something 809 00:34:40,270 --> 00:34:37,340 horrible were to happen they just want 810 00:34:43,240 --> 00:34:40,280 to have an option now what about the 811 00:34:46,930 --> 00:34:43,250 oppressive government circumstances and 812 00:34:49,180 --> 00:34:46,940 that being a right to have arms you know 813 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:49,190 in in emergency situations 814 00:34:55,060 --> 00:34:51,490 that's when government oftentimes 815 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:55,070 overreaches and I think it's a very good 816 00:34:59,140 --> 00:34:57,050 argument right now that the state of 817 00:35:00,310 --> 00:34:59,150 California has overreached as we talked 818 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:00,320 about if you're going to violate 819 00:35:04,330 --> 00:35:02,450 somebody's constitutional right it's 820 00:35:06,730 --> 00:35:04,340 gonna be subject descriptors strict 821 00:35:10,300 --> 00:35:06,740 scrutiny and it better be near nari 822 00:35:14,980 --> 00:35:10,310 nareh Lee Taylor sorry to promote the 823 00:35:19,540 --> 00:35:14,990 goal the state of California has ordered 824 00:35:20,770 --> 00:35:19,550 everybody to shelter in place even 825 00:35:22,180 --> 00:35:20,780 though the federal government has an 826 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:22,190 asset the federal guidelines are 827 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:23,810 basically to keep your distance and 828 00:35:26,590 --> 00:35:25,370 follow certain protocols the state of 829 00:35:28,060 --> 00:35:26,600 California says you not allowed to leave 830 00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:28,070 your home you not allowed to tend to 831 00:35:30,300 --> 00:35:28,720 your property 832 00:35:32,849 --> 00:35:30,310 not allowed to tend to your business 833 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:32,859 unless it's essential and now they've 834 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:35,410 closed the beaches and essentially the 835 00:35:40,859 --> 00:35:37,810 Pacific Ocean is now closed I've got 836 00:35:46,109 --> 00:35:40,869 pictures of surfers getting citations 837 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:46,119 from from LA County sheriff's for 838 00:35:53,010 --> 00:35:49,690 surfing on the Pacific Ocean right is 839 00:35:54,750 --> 00:35:53,020 this yes oh absolutely and like that's 840 00:35:56,010 --> 00:35:54,760 another thing it's not just about the 841 00:35:58,200 --> 00:35:56,020 right to keep and bear arms there's a 842 00:36:00,990 --> 00:35:58,210 lot of First Amendment violations that 843 00:36:03,060 --> 00:36:01,000 are going on and unfortunately we 844 00:36:04,859 --> 00:36:03,070 haven't gotten curfews very heavily 845 00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:04,869 reviewed by the courts I mean the cases 846 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:07,119 just haven't come up that much in our 847 00:36:13,050 --> 00:36:10,330 country's history but now we obviously 848 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:13,060 have the need for guidance there it 849 00:36:18,690 --> 00:36:16,090 seems to me that the government has to 850 00:36:21,089 --> 00:36:18,700 at least provide an exception for First 851 00:36:24,060 --> 00:36:21,099 Amendment protected conduct as well as 852 00:36:26,370 --> 00:36:24,070 Second Amendment protected conduct at 853 00:36:30,089 --> 00:36:26,380 minimum you know to have any of these 854 00:36:32,099 --> 00:36:30,099 stay at home orders be lawful and the 855 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:32,109 complicated thing is it takes time to 856 00:36:37,020 --> 00:36:35,050 get your cases heard and if like let's 857 00:36:38,810 --> 00:36:37,030 say the stay at home order is a First 858 00:36:41,900 --> 00:36:38,820 Amendment violation which I think it is 859 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:41,910 two to right to peaceably assemble 860 00:36:46,589 --> 00:36:44,770 exactly or the right to do your 861 00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:46,599 religious observations you know any 862 00:36:52,589 --> 00:36:50,160 anything or just paint I don't know 863 00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:52,599 let's say that the sheriff tells you no 864 00:36:58,440 --> 00:36:54,880 no painting right you have to stay 865 00:36:59,970 --> 00:36:58,450 inside and you sue by the time your case 866 00:37:00,810 --> 00:36:59,980 gets heard because half the courts are 867 00:37:02,609 --> 00:37:00,820 closed now too 868 00:37:03,870 --> 00:37:02,619 the government's already stopped doing 869 00:37:05,670 --> 00:37:03,880 it and they're gonna say oh well your 870 00:37:07,970 --> 00:37:05,680 case is moot so that's something that 871 00:37:09,930 --> 00:37:07,980 really scares me there's a lot of 872 00:37:12,329 --> 00:37:09,940 unquestionable violations that are 873 00:37:14,670 --> 00:37:12,339 having right now that are at risk of 874 00:37:16,589 --> 00:37:14,680 being never heard in court yeah so 875 00:37:18,839 --> 00:37:16,599 normally you're able to go in and if you 876 00:37:20,670 --> 00:37:18,849 can prove likelihood of success and 877 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:20,680 exigent circumstances you can get a 878 00:37:25,050 --> 00:37:23,050 temporary restraining order right I I 879 00:37:28,109 --> 00:37:25,060 know that's what you guys are attempting 880 00:37:29,849 --> 00:37:28,119 through what you filed on Friday but 881 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:29,859 you're talking about the courts possibly 882 00:37:33,329 --> 00:37:31,690 not being open so let's get into 883 00:37:36,150 --> 00:37:33,339 specifics of your case you guys filed it 884 00:37:37,620 --> 00:37:36,160 on Friday are you were able to file it 885 00:37:39,450 --> 00:37:37,630 the court was open to receive right yeah 886 00:37:40,650 --> 00:37:39,460 I'm talking about the whole country that 887 00:37:42,330 --> 00:37:40,660 we're seeing okay 888 00:37:44,610 --> 00:37:42,340 and what 889 00:37:46,290 --> 00:37:44,620 you guys are trying to get a temporary 890 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:46,300 restraining order against the state from 891 00:37:53,610 --> 00:37:50,290 enforcing this shutdown rule well yeah 892 00:37:54,780 --> 00:37:53,620 so it's it's the state needs to because 893 00:37:57,630 --> 00:37:54,790 the state has tried to like play this 894 00:37:59,790 --> 00:37:57,640 game hot potato or they're like oh you 895 00:38:01,380 --> 00:37:59,800 know we're not gonna make a call the 896 00:38:04,830 --> 00:38:01,390 individual sheriffs get to make the call 897 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:04,840 um we think that that is like their 898 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:06,970 behavior there is a violation they 899 00:38:11,100 --> 00:38:09,490 should direct the you know they should 900 00:38:13,140 --> 00:38:11,110 make the directive no obviously don't 901 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:13,150 restrict don't violate people's rights 902 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:15,610 yeah let's take people through that that 903 00:38:19,980 --> 00:38:17,410 history real quick so so the the 904 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:19,990 Governor of California Newsom issues an 905 00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:21,850 order that says that everybody stay at 906 00:38:27,510 --> 00:38:24,480 home other than non-essential businesses 907 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:27,520 businesses and then he points to a 908 00:38:33,900 --> 00:38:31,210 federal list of essential businesses gun 909 00:38:36,690 --> 00:38:33,910 stores aren't on there so the county 910 00:38:39,870 --> 00:38:36,700 sheriff in Los Angeles says that gun 911 00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:39,880 stores are not essential then he gets 912 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:42,250 some type of opinion apparently from a 913 00:38:46,740 --> 00:38:44,290 county attorney that says well no 914 00:38:50,910 --> 00:38:46,750 actually they are he reverses his order 915 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:50,920 then governor Newsom says that I'm gonna 916 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:52,810 leave it up to sheriff's to make the 917 00:38:57,540 --> 00:38:54,610 determination as to whether gun stores 918 00:38:59,880 --> 00:38:57,550 are essential or not and based on that 919 00:39:01,770 --> 00:38:59,890 this LA County Sheriff feels it now 920 00:39:03,630 --> 00:39:01,780 embolden that oh okay the governor told 921 00:39:07,290 --> 00:39:03,640 me it's up to me I say they're not 922 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:07,300 essential but it shuts them down so you 923 00:39:11,070 --> 00:39:08,530 know either they're essential or they're 924 00:39:14,580 --> 00:39:11,080 not governor who just really punted it 925 00:39:16,050 --> 00:39:14,590 to scare so it seems kind of silly but 926 00:39:18,540 --> 00:39:16,060 you guys sued the state of California 927 00:39:23,490 --> 00:39:18,550 nonetheless along with LA County Sheriff 928 00:39:26,610 --> 00:39:23,500 yes and and look it's we all have a duty 929 00:39:27,930 --> 00:39:26,620 right and even me right I I'm a lawyer I 930 00:39:30,740 --> 00:39:27,940 swear an oath we all have a duty to 931 00:39:32,940 --> 00:39:30,750 protect it up all the Constitution and 932 00:39:34,980 --> 00:39:32,950 everyone you know the entire chain of 933 00:39:38,100 --> 00:39:34,990 command violated their duty here that's 934 00:39:40,980 --> 00:39:38,110 as simple as it has to be so keeping 935 00:39:44,930 --> 00:39:40,990 with the specific specifics of your case 936 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:44,940 on Saturday it's my understanding that 937 00:39:49,260 --> 00:39:47,890 the federal government and this is I 938 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:49,270 think it's homeland security that's 939 00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:52,850 creating this list of essential business 940 00:39:59,110 --> 00:39:56,930 gun stores to the list right woman let 941 00:40:01,000 --> 00:39:59,120 me let me pause you right there I'm not 942 00:40:04,570 --> 00:40:01,010 sure they weren't on there to begin with 943 00:40:06,970 --> 00:40:04,580 because a lot of these use you know 944 00:40:10,090 --> 00:40:06,980 language this this federal language 945 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:10,100 it included shops that sell other 946 00:40:16,930 --> 00:40:12,770 supplies that are necessary for ensuring 947 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:16,940 the safety of you know homes I think 948 00:40:22,060 --> 00:40:19,970 that that's what a gun shop is right and 949 00:40:25,810 --> 00:40:22,070 so I think it's arguable that they were 950 00:40:29,380 --> 00:40:25,820 already covered however yes then now the 951 00:40:30,850 --> 00:40:29,390 feds came forth and clarified and and 952 00:40:33,610 --> 00:40:30,860 they went so far as to say the entire 953 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:33,620 gun industry is essential and by the way 954 00:40:37,660 --> 00:40:35,570 another point is whether they were 955 00:40:38,950 --> 00:40:37,670 covered or not it doesn't change the 956 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:38,960 fact that you have a second Amendment 957 00:40:43,630 --> 00:40:41,930 right to do a yeah yeah no because the 958 00:40:46,660 --> 00:40:43,640 government would probably not say that 959 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:46,670 you know you know if you ask them 960 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:48,530 specifically what's essential during a 961 00:40:54,460 --> 00:40:50,930 time of crisis would they necessarily 962 00:40:56,350 --> 00:40:54,470 say a church I think it would depend on 963 00:40:57,990 --> 00:40:56,360 the official but it doesn't matter you 964 00:41:01,570 --> 00:40:58,000 have a First Amendment protected 965 00:41:04,300 --> 00:41:01,580 expression interest there so but now if 966 00:41:07,260 --> 00:41:04,310 you look at newsome's order now that gun 967 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:07,270 stores are expressly on the list 968 00:41:12,100 --> 00:41:09,410 presumably that therefore changes 969 00:41:14,380 --> 00:41:12,110 Newsom's order and nuisance order no 970 00:41:17,770 --> 00:41:14,390 longer applies to gun stores so has this 971 00:41:19,930 --> 00:41:17,780 mooted your case well so it's a little 972 00:41:21,910 --> 00:41:19,940 more nuanced than that right because 973 00:41:23,620 --> 00:41:21,920 there are some counties there are some 974 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:23,630 places in the country that directly 975 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:27,050 adopted the government list and so the 976 00:41:34,030 --> 00:41:32,330 federal list Newsom referenced it so 977 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:34,040 then there's the question of does that 978 00:41:40,450 --> 00:41:36,890 you know does the updated list still you 979 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:40,460 know count is it binding you know those 980 00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:44,090 are open questions I mean I I hope that 981 00:41:49,540 --> 00:41:45,680 we can just as quickly as possible get 982 00:41:52,180 --> 00:41:49,550 people's rights respected but um you 983 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:52,190 know it's it's an open question as to 984 00:42:00,010 --> 00:41:56,330 what effect the update will have on the 985 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:00,020 lawsuits mm-hmm it is a scary thought 986 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:02,770 though to think how little our 987 00:42:07,860 --> 00:42:04,570 politicians 988 00:42:09,450 --> 00:42:07,870 think about our rights and just you know 989 00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:09,460 regarding anything this is just a great 990 00:42:14,220 --> 00:42:11,680 example to talk about but it's so 991 00:42:17,490 --> 00:42:14,230 obvious that they could have still 992 00:42:20,190 --> 00:42:17,500 protected our right to bear arms under 993 00:42:21,930 --> 00:42:20,200 the Second Amendment by putting an order 994 00:42:25,050 --> 00:42:21,940 in place that says that okay yeah gun 995 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:25,060 stores can be open but any line into the 996 00:42:30,060 --> 00:42:26,970 gun store you must be six feet apart 997 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:30,070 right X number of people at it within 998 00:42:34,940 --> 00:42:32,290 the gun store at a particular time I'd 999 00:42:36,570 --> 00:42:34,950 be it so even by appointment only 1000 00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:36,580 appointment only 1001 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:40,000 I mean it's so easy to think of ways to 1002 00:42:45,630 --> 00:42:42,010 still protect against the virus but 1003 00:42:49,340 --> 00:42:45,640 allow the sale of guns and to just so 1004 00:42:53,550 --> 00:42:49,350 callously say nope not essential Chlo 1005 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:53,560 and even though Newsom himself hasn't 1006 00:42:57,060 --> 00:42:55,330 ordered any clothes the fact that he 1007 00:42:59,850 --> 00:42:57,070 would allow sheriff's to make their own 1008 00:43:01,380 --> 00:42:59,860 decision I mean that only seems to be 1009 00:43:03,090 --> 00:43:01,390 the most that's even worse in my opinion 1010 00:43:05,940 --> 00:43:03,100 than Newsom saying the gun stores aren't 1011 00:43:08,310 --> 00:43:05,950 aren't essential right that's him saying 1012 00:43:10,590 --> 00:43:08,320 I don't want to touch this right but I 1013 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:10,600 mean Newsom not wanting to touch a gun 1014 00:43:16,250 --> 00:43:12,850 thing I think that tells you it's pretty 1015 00:43:19,850 --> 00:43:16,260 clear how wrong you are and I mean it's 1016 00:43:21,420 --> 00:43:19,860 especially in California man it's like a 1017 00:43:24,870 --> 00:43:21,430 slam dunk 1018 00:43:29,100 --> 00:43:24,880 you know like they're this is like it's 1019 00:43:31,650 --> 00:43:29,110 stupid this is not alone right tell me 1020 00:43:34,410 --> 00:43:31,660 what other states counties or cities 1021 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:34,420 have said that gun stores must close 1022 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:38,290 well in North Carolina we've been you 1023 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:40,450 know we're suing a temperate area we're 1024 00:43:45,710 --> 00:43:43,210 suing a sheriff who prohibited we 1025 00:43:48,540 --> 00:43:45,720 stopped all pistol permit applications 1026 00:43:50,310 --> 00:43:48,550 we we were prepared to sue the county 1027 00:43:52,470 --> 00:43:50,320 but they they got back to us and we're 1028 00:43:55,410 --> 00:43:52,480 like oh no okay you know gun shops are 1029 00:43:58,590 --> 00:43:55,420 essential at least they that's what 1030 00:44:01,020 --> 00:43:58,600 they're saying they'll do Louisiana 1031 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:01,030 we've got a lawsuit pending I mean we've 1032 00:44:05,370 --> 00:44:03,370 got stuff going on all over the place I 1033 00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:05,380 mean if you guys are curious I'd 1034 00:44:09,720 --> 00:44:07,170 recommend you check out firearms policy 1035 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:09,730 org and you can see under the legal tap 1036 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:11,890 we've got all the stuff listed out yeah 1037 00:44:16,860 --> 00:44:14,890 there's there's a lot going on and we're 1038 00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:16,870 sending a lot of letters yeah I know you 1039 00:44:20,730 --> 00:44:18,250 guys are also asking the 1040 00:44:23,970 --> 00:44:20,740 so we'll ask our listeners to inform you 1041 00:44:25,350 --> 00:44:23,980 guys you know if they have if their 1042 00:44:27,150 --> 00:44:25,360 particular city because there's so many 1043 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:27,160 cities out there if they're just ban 1044 00:44:33,720 --> 00:44:30,010 guns to inform you guys yeah yeah check 1045 00:44:35,250 --> 00:44:33,730 out FPC hotline org we've got a hotline 1046 00:44:36,510 --> 00:44:35,260 set up basically you know if you're a 1047 00:44:38,370 --> 00:44:36,520 gun shop owner you've been ordered to 1048 00:44:39,630 --> 00:44:38,380 close down or you're you're especially 1049 00:44:41,340 --> 00:44:39,640 if you're one of these people who are 1050 00:44:43,350 --> 00:44:41,350 wanting to buy a gun for the first time 1051 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:43,360 but the city has ordered all the gun 1052 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:45,490 shops closed we definitely want to hear 1053 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:48,010 from you no matter where you are you 1054 00:44:52,410 --> 00:44:49,930 know it's very hard to keep track over 1055 00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:52,420 all these city and county ordinances all 1056 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:53,650 over the place and a lot of them are 1057 00:44:57,030 --> 00:44:55,210 actually like it seems like they're 1058 00:45:00,840 --> 00:44:57,040 intentionally making themselves hard to 1059 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:00,850 find so you know we if you've been 1060 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:02,770 subjected to that we definitely want to 1061 00:45:07,550 --> 00:45:04,570 hear from you and you guys have the 1062 00:45:10,770 --> 00:45:07,560 resources to litigate all these cases 1063 00:45:12,270 --> 00:45:10,780 well I don't know about all but we're 1064 00:45:14,100 --> 00:45:12,280 doing our best you know we've got a lot 1065 00:45:15,330 --> 00:45:14,110 of support we've we've been working 1066 00:45:17,220 --> 00:45:15,340 together with other gun rights 1067 00:45:21,630 --> 00:45:17,230 organization including Sekhmet 1068 00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:21,640 Foundation the NRA so we've been putting 1069 00:45:27,060 --> 00:45:24,370 our everything we can down on the table 1070 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:27,070 just to protect the people because I 1071 00:45:33,270 --> 00:45:29,890 mean to me this is like a key example 1072 00:45:35,790 --> 00:45:33,280 like this is why I do what I do you know 1073 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:35,800 people need to be able to protect 1074 00:45:41,670 --> 00:45:38,170 themselves in a time of crisis and right 1075 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:41,680 now is a time of crisis so we haven't 1076 00:45:45,330 --> 00:45:43,930 been getting much sleep so the one that 1077 00:45:47,370 --> 00:45:45,340 will probably continue to get the most 1078 00:45:50,730 --> 00:45:47,380 attention is the one that you filed in 1079 00:45:52,530 --> 00:45:50,740 Los Angeles on Friday tell me what is 1080 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:52,540 the status of that when do you think 1081 00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:54,970 you'll be in front of a judge arguing 1082 00:46:00,030 --> 00:45:56,410 the merits of this on a temporary 1083 00:46:02,610 --> 00:46:00,040 restraining order I well it me it won't 1084 00:46:04,770 --> 00:46:02,620 be me I'm I'm only barred in Florida so 1085 00:46:08,940 --> 00:46:04,780 but we have local council that's working 1086 00:46:10,740 --> 00:46:08,950 on it I don't know you know everything's 1087 00:46:13,110 --> 00:46:10,750 up in the air right now with this stuff 1088 00:46:14,490 --> 00:46:13,120 but the good thing is is that we've been 1089 00:46:17,340 --> 00:46:14,500 acting quickly and getting these 1090 00:46:20,250 --> 00:46:17,350 lawsuits filed and getting the ball 1091 00:46:22,860 --> 00:46:20,260 rolling so we're trying our best to get 1092 00:46:26,970 --> 00:46:22,870 everything done as quickly as possible 1093 00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:26,980 but I you know that's like asking me to 1094 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:29,890 predict the election and I learned in 1095 00:46:34,410 --> 00:46:31,810 2016 not to try to do that 1096 00:46:37,050 --> 00:46:34,420 well I'm just saying stances if the 1097 00:46:38,670 --> 00:46:37,060 court were fully open and you know my 1098 00:46:39,780 --> 00:46:38,680 understanding is in Los Angeles is that 1099 00:46:41,970 --> 00:46:39,790 they're open they're not doing jury 1100 00:46:44,130 --> 00:46:41,980 trials but you can write for the judges 1101 00:46:46,140 --> 00:46:44,140 and so on I happen to be dealing with a 1102 00:46:48,210 --> 00:46:46,150 case in Quebec Canada and can say that 1103 00:46:50,460 --> 00:46:48,220 Quebec is a hundred percent closed you 1104 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:50,470 can't really any reason unless it's a 1105 00:46:55,980 --> 00:46:53,290 genuine emergency so who knows what 1106 00:46:58,890 --> 00:46:55,990 they're gonna implement as things go by 1107 00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:58,900 here but you know based on my experience 1108 00:47:02,010 --> 00:47:00,640 many years ago being a litigator on the 1109 00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:02,020 temporary restraining order you can get 1110 00:47:05,340 --> 00:47:03,610 in pretty quickly I mean what surprised 1111 00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:05,350 me if you guys are having a hearing by 1112 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:07,570 the end of this week in front of a judge 1113 00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:09,490 it would be nice I mean we've definitely 1114 00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:11,650 been alleging you know the exigent 1115 00:47:15,930 --> 00:47:13,090 circumstances we've definitely been 1116 00:47:18,110 --> 00:47:15,940 doing you know we've been basically 1117 00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:18,120 making it clear this is an emergency 1118 00:47:22,740 --> 00:47:20,530 there's also the issue that like like I 1119 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:22,750 was talking to you earlier about the 1120 00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:24,490 standing thing like this is something 1121 00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:28,000 that is very serious and shouldn't be 1122 00:47:31,230 --> 00:47:29,920 allowed to wiggle its way out on 1123 00:47:34,740 --> 00:47:31,240 mootness you know this needs to be 1124 00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:34,750 handled now and presumably 1125 00:47:39,660 --> 00:47:37,090 you would seek not just that the order 1126 00:47:43,230 --> 00:47:39,670 be reversed but that the gun stores 1127 00:47:48,030 --> 00:47:43,240 receive damages for lost sales during 1128 00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:48,040 that time um I mean I think that would 1129 00:47:53,700 --> 00:47:49,810 it's hard to get those types of 1130 00:47:55,950 --> 00:47:53,710 judgments but I mean under a tort theory 1131 00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:55,960 that would make sense right it's the I 1132 00:47:59,910 --> 00:47:57,970 mean it's the directed and probable 1133 00:48:02,820 --> 00:47:59,920 consequences of the action the 1134 00:48:05,450 --> 00:48:02,830 government took and are you hearing 1135 00:48:07,950 --> 00:48:05,460 anything about cases being brought 1136 00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:07,960 saying that these shut down orders are 1137 00:48:13,770 --> 00:48:09,850 overly broad that they're not narrowly 1138 00:48:18,750 --> 00:48:13,780 tailored to fighting this virus and that 1139 00:48:21,540 --> 00:48:18,760 stay at home orders violate individual 1140 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:21,550 liberty right to protect property you 1141 00:48:25,020 --> 00:48:22,930 know their state constitutions and 1142 00:48:27,300 --> 00:48:25,030 there's the the US Constitution whose 1143 00:48:29,430 --> 00:48:27,310 Constitution we've got the First 1144 00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:29,440 Amendment and then you've got right 1145 00:48:34,020 --> 00:48:32,170 against you know takings clause you know 1146 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:34,030 arguably shutting down these businesses 1147 00:48:38,580 --> 00:48:37,330 is a taking what do you think about 1148 00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:38,590 cases like that and are you hearing 1149 00:48:43,470 --> 00:48:41,410 about any of them being brought so like 1150 00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:43,480 as that all gets 1151 00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:45,760 your theory of the case which is is 1152 00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:48,610 heavily jurisdiction independent because 1153 00:48:53,190 --> 00:48:51,130 in places like the Ninth Circuit we 1154 00:48:54,900 --> 00:48:53,200 don't even know what tier of scrutiny 1155 00:48:57,330 --> 00:48:54,910 second amendment cases are heard over 1156 00:48:59,850 --> 00:48:57,340 right they claim it's intermediate but 1157 00:49:03,180 --> 00:48:59,860 we don't know in the Ninth Circuit what 1158 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:03,190 how much tailoring like how much the 1159 00:49:08,340 --> 00:49:05,890 judges care about tailoring I certainly 1160 00:49:10,500 --> 00:49:08,350 think it's relevant but you know as far 1161 00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:10,510 as how the cases are broad it you know 1162 00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:12,730 we always make sure to go with the 1163 00:49:19,260 --> 00:49:15,370 strongest theory for the jurisdiction I 1164 00:49:21,540 --> 00:49:19,270 mean like I would you know me personally 1165 00:49:24,780 --> 00:49:21,550 I would want to see a case that was won 1166 00:49:29,780 --> 00:49:24,790 on the Commerce Clause you know against 1167 00:49:31,650 --> 00:49:29,790 a federal uh you know prohibition but 1168 00:49:33,750 --> 00:49:31,660 federal government I think it's been 1169 00:49:35,610 --> 00:49:33,760 very careful about what they've issued 1170 00:49:38,940 --> 00:49:35,620 II you know just over the weekend 1171 00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:38,950 oh yeah start out a quarantine of New 1172 00:49:43,260 --> 00:49:40,960 York and New Jersey and then he ends up 1173 00:49:44,820 --> 00:49:43,270 not doing it I think most likely he 1174 00:49:46,830 --> 00:49:44,830 chose not to do it because he was 1175 00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:46,840 advised it's not constantly because 1176 00:49:52,620 --> 00:49:48,400 somebody probably pulled him aside and 1177 00:49:54,540 --> 00:49:52,630 said stop it like this right and the 1178 00:49:56,610 --> 00:49:54,550 federal guidelines are just that they're 1179 00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:56,620 really just guidelines it's up to the 1180 00:49:59,340 --> 00:49:57,850 states in the cities and that's what a 1181 00:50:00,660 --> 00:49:59,350 lot of people don't realize and I think 1182 00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:00,670 that we're gonna be getting into very 1183 00:50:05,700 --> 00:50:03,610 interesting times here where say the 1184 00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:05,710 federal government decides okay I think 1185 00:50:10,770 --> 00:50:09,130 it's time to allow people to start going 1186 00:50:13,650 --> 00:50:10,780 back to work and so on but the 1187 00:50:15,420 --> 00:50:13,660 individual governors say no it's not and 1188 00:50:18,690 --> 00:50:15,430 right the ones that have the authority 1189 00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:18,700 or more authority anyway than the 1190 00:50:23,010 --> 00:50:20,640 federal government to shut things down 1191 00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:23,020 ya know it's a really interest this 1192 00:50:26,580 --> 00:50:24,400 whole situation is just so fascinating 1193 00:50:29,580 --> 00:50:26,590 and especially because like you know 1194 00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:29,590 it's it's a situation where there's a 1195 00:50:35,940 --> 00:50:33,370 virus where the primary target right the 1196 00:50:37,110 --> 00:50:35,950 people most at risk for it are generally 1197 00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:37,120 the same people that are in the 1198 00:50:44,550 --> 00:50:41,170 political class so it's it's just a 1199 00:50:46,530 --> 00:50:44,560 fascinating way it's developing and I 1200 00:50:49,740 --> 00:50:46,540 think that like you're saying once the 1201 00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:49,750 feds and also like I mean who really 1202 00:50:54,900 --> 00:50:51,370 cares what the feds think on the matter 1203 00:50:56,610 --> 00:50:54,910 but you know once they think it's it's 1204 00:50:58,800 --> 00:50:56,620 time to pull back 1205 00:51:00,270 --> 00:50:58,810 and Android go home and I would hope 1206 00:51:03,570 --> 00:51:00,280 that that would be supported by the you 1207 00:51:05,610 --> 00:51:03,580 know scientific analysis it would be up 1208 00:51:08,550 --> 00:51:05,620 to like the personality of the governor 1209 00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:08,560 to decide whether or not to take that 1210 00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:11,040 and that's that's why this is also 1211 00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:16,170 problematic yeah they're definitely 1212 00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:20,130 basically allowing this panic to 1213 00:51:25,290 --> 00:51:23,530 overreach and decide that this is the 1214 00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:25,300 role of government the people can't be 1215 00:51:30,050 --> 00:51:27,760 trusted you know we've been told keep 1216 00:51:33,830 --> 00:51:30,060 six feet of distance from each other and 1217 00:51:37,530 --> 00:51:33,840 wash your hands and coffin to your elbow 1218 00:51:40,170 --> 00:51:37,540 but they got a photo from a helicopter 1219 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:40,180 of one of the popular hiking trails in 1220 00:51:46,290 --> 00:51:43,450 Los Angeles which my gosh showed people 1221 00:51:50,130 --> 00:51:46,300 crossing paths with each other on the 1222 00:51:51,930 --> 00:51:50,140 hiking trail and my gosh if you measured 1223 00:51:54,690 --> 00:51:51,940 it it was less than six feet like we 1224 00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:54,700 can't trust people to model these 1225 00:51:58,620 --> 00:51:56,770 guidelines so we better just shut 1226 00:52:00,150 --> 00:51:58,630 everything down that's really what 1227 00:52:02,370 --> 00:52:00,160 they're doing they're saying you we 1228 00:52:03,660 --> 00:52:02,380 can't trust the people to follow these 1229 00:52:06,030 --> 00:52:03,670 guidelines even though you can make the 1230 00:52:09,150 --> 00:52:06,040 guidelines mandatory you write me and 1231 00:52:11,070 --> 00:52:09,160 Ettore to keep six feet distance but 1232 00:52:12,090 --> 00:52:11,080 rather than doing that there's end up we 1233 00:52:14,970 --> 00:52:12,100 just got to shut the whole thing down 1234 00:52:17,790 --> 00:52:14,980 yeah the mountains in Los Angeles are 1235 00:52:20,190 --> 00:52:17,800 closed the beaches are closed and 1236 00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:20,200 essentially the Pacific Ocean is closed 1237 00:52:26,670 --> 00:52:23,920 I mean this is really it's it look not 1238 00:52:29,070 --> 00:52:26,680 I'm not gonna downplay the significance 1239 00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:29,080 of this virus it's very serious and it's 1240 00:52:33,660 --> 00:52:30,610 changed of all of our lives probably 1241 00:52:36,570 --> 00:52:33,670 permanently however when this virus 1242 00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:36,580 wasn't happening people scuba douve 1243 00:52:42,690 --> 00:52:39,250 right I have a scuba diver that's 1244 00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:42,700 massively dangerous you know it I choose 1245 00:52:47,010 --> 00:52:44,890 to do it and we choose to just people 1246 00:52:50,220 --> 00:52:47,020 take risks right people choose to engage 1247 00:52:53,190 --> 00:52:50,230 in risky activity I think it I do think 1248 00:52:55,650 --> 00:52:53,200 it's very odd the degree to which we 1249 00:52:58,250 --> 00:52:55,660 have accepted the government and 1250 00:53:02,700 --> 00:52:58,260 intervening in the risk-taking behavior 1251 00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:02,710 at the end of the day you know I do 1252 00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:04,570 think it to a certain extent 1253 00:53:07,650 --> 00:53:06,130 you should set guidelines people should 1254 00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:07,660 generally follow them these the six foot 1255 00:53:13,859 --> 00:53:10,650 thing it's pretty rational right I do it 1256 00:53:16,799 --> 00:53:13,869 but if somebody chooses to engage in 1257 00:53:18,319 --> 00:53:16,809 risky behavior I think at some point you 1258 00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:18,329 got to just say all right 1259 00:53:22,140 --> 00:53:20,890 yeah automobiles being the most obvious 1260 00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:22,150 example all right 1261 00:53:29,069 --> 00:53:25,599 restrict that but yeah it's not what you 1262 00:53:30,630 --> 00:53:29,079 got to keep T you got a balance reducing 1263 00:53:33,180 --> 00:53:30,640 the spread of this virus with in my 1264 00:53:34,799 --> 00:53:33,190 opinion two things one is total 1265 00:53:36,569 --> 00:53:34,809 destruction of your economy which could 1266 00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:36,579 cause even more damage everybody talks 1267 00:53:41,849 --> 00:53:39,490 about that but the second thing is if 1268 00:53:44,730 --> 00:53:41,859 this is how we're gonna react anytime 1269 00:53:45,870 --> 00:53:44,740 this happens are we going to be able to 1270 00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:45,880 go through this again a year from now 1271 00:53:50,670 --> 00:53:47,680 when there's another one can we afford 1272 00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:50,680 another two trillion dollar bailout and 1273 00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:53,410 another 220 trillion to hit to our 1274 00:53:57,089 --> 00:53:54,970 economy how many kind of say we did I 1275 00:53:59,010 --> 00:53:57,099 think we're exposed now we are exposing 1276 00:54:02,849 --> 00:53:59,020 ourselves by demonstrating that this is 1277 00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:02,859 how we react and I hate to even mention 1278 00:54:06,569 --> 00:54:04,930 it or talk about it but I'm just saying 1279 00:54:10,260 --> 00:54:06,579 that there could be nefarious actors out 1280 00:54:13,859 --> 00:54:10,270 there let's see huh okay we see how to 1281 00:54:16,859 --> 00:54:13,869 bring the Great Satan to his knees yeah 1282 00:54:18,450 --> 00:54:16,869 I mean that those are all rational 1283 00:54:20,970 --> 00:54:18,460 concerns I mean we haven't had something 1284 00:54:22,470 --> 00:54:20,980 like this since the Spanish flu and of 1285 00:54:24,510 --> 00:54:22,480 course like our understanding of biology 1286 00:54:26,339 --> 00:54:24,520 back then was very different what I 1287 00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:26,349 really want to worry about is you know 1288 00:54:29,670 --> 00:54:28,450 people have been very just okay with 1289 00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:29,680 everything happening they've been very 1290 00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:32,530 generally just very okay with say curfew 1291 00:54:35,549 --> 00:54:33,970 all right you know fine as long as it'll 1292 00:54:36,839 --> 00:54:35,559 you know people have been very okay 1293 00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:36,849 about all this stuff does that mean that 1294 00:54:40,559 --> 00:54:39,130 our triggers gonna be lowered does that 1295 00:54:42,329 --> 00:54:40,569 mean that next time because the way 1296 00:54:44,579 --> 00:54:42,339 these viruses work rightly like you were 1297 00:54:46,770 --> 00:54:44,589 saying next year is very high likelihood 1298 00:54:50,460 --> 00:54:46,780 that a year from now there will be 1299 00:54:52,140 --> 00:54:50,470 another run around you know yeah I don't 1300 00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:52,150 know or is it next time that like it 1301 00:54:56,250 --> 00:54:53,920 would be you know you remember we've 1302 00:54:59,299 --> 00:54:56,260 lived through this the swine flu avian 1303 00:55:01,799 --> 00:54:59,309 flu SARS all these different things and 1304 00:55:04,079 --> 00:55:01,809 we took precautions but nothing like 1305 00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:04,089 this does that mean that in the future 1306 00:55:10,079 --> 00:55:07,170 when some like less serious not quite as 1307 00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:10,089 pandemic virus comes up they're just 1308 00:55:14,670 --> 00:55:11,440 gonna feel empowered to shut the light 1309 00:55:16,740 --> 00:55:14,680 switch off I don't know yeah and what's 1310 00:55:20,579 --> 00:55:16,750 scary is it's just very politically 1311 00:55:22,890 --> 00:55:20,589 incorrect to suggest that we shouldn't 1312 00:55:24,630 --> 00:55:22,900 all be sheltering in place and you know 1313 00:55:27,780 --> 00:55:24,640 time will tell 1314 00:55:29,370 --> 00:55:27,790 whether we took proper measures or not I 1315 00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:29,380 just think that there aren't enough 1316 00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:32,890 voices questioning what this government 1317 00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:35,050 what these governments are doing yeah 1318 00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:37,330 and it's hard right it's it's very hard 1319 00:55:41,730 --> 00:55:40,090 to talk about this because I do I am 1320 00:55:45,060 --> 00:55:41,740 sheltering in place and I think people 1321 00:55:47,610 --> 00:55:45,070 generally should be keeping apart and I 1322 00:55:50,790 --> 00:55:47,620 think that if somebody were to you know 1323 00:55:52,260 --> 00:55:50,800 go out and I don't know line dance or 1324 00:55:53,940 --> 00:55:52,270 whatever I feel a little uncomfortable 1325 00:55:55,350 --> 00:55:53,950 with that might be a little annoyed with 1326 00:55:58,620 --> 00:55:55,360 them but I don't think it's my right to 1327 00:56:01,290 --> 00:55:58,630 stop them you know I think we exercise 1328 00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:01,300 our rights to keep our distance and and